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Teufl
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@R0m30:
That's a forum about - let's say serious or art - photography, and I think they care about other aspects than we do here.... 
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Well I guess - looking at the forum - there are many aspects
to girl photography. You have plain porn, you have erotic kicks,
you have nude pics and non nude.
On the other axis you have glossy-show-all, artfully work w/ the light, point and shoot and point somewhere else and accidentally shot a girl or part of it.
My personally definition of "amateur" would range in the
work w/ the light area since the word means trying to get better and better at it and loving it - what the amateur tells from the professional
is, the professional does roughly the same but earns his/her living with it.
Party pics and roughly-shot-somewhere-in-a-direction-of-something-like-a-girl are not "amateur" but more fun pics. That said, mobile phone pics could rarely count as amateur too
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so don't worry about their comments!
(Still one could learn from them of course... ...e.g. MET-ART showed there is no contradiction between these different aspects of photography...) |
Yes, met-art style is a good start if you don't just look at the model (but don't miss her but also look how it was made (the light, the posing, the background). They aren't all so perfect made so there is plenty room for
own improvements, like "I'd do this slightly different...put the light somewhere else, let her pose a bit different..."
Just some thought - now happy amateur photographing! |
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| Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Teufl, thanks for comments! 
| Teufl wrote: | | Yes, met-art style is a good start if you don't just look at the model (but don't miss her but also look how it was made (the light, the posing, the background). |
Ah good start?
OK, let's rent a castle or make trip to the sea...
What I mean is: Met-Art sets would be to expensive for me and would be more a goal/finish (Ziel) than a start, at least for me.
But regarding style Met-Art is indeed a good ideal! I'd personally like to do something in the style in between Met-Art, TF/AF (without dildos, I don't like that...), JTS, TSM and, yes, eLle eS.
[About eLle eS as an ideal there are so many things you could get wrong that I take a whole little paragraph to explain what I mean with that, see (*) at the end of this post.]
| Teufl wrote: | | Just some thought - now happy amateur photographing! |
At least for me: Thanks, but is too early (I'm really an absolute beginner...), I got a plan what to do before and I'm not completely through the preparations yet:
- Have some ideas: OK, a bit diffuse still, but they'll get more clear...
- Get a good camera: OK, I have one now.
- Learn to draw in order to make sketchbooks: I'd like to use these sketchbooks as a kind of a script for a shooting and to show the girl what I've planed and how to pose. That's what I'm doing right now: Actually I took one of my favourite TF pictures and tried to paint it with a pencil several times. (My goal is not to reach a realistic quality, more a kind of comic style: It is just important to see the poses and the use of cloths.)
A real nice thing to do in these holidays!
- So left to do is:
- Make sketchbooks for complete sets.
- Get some more camera experience.
- Look for a room / setting.
- Get some good indoor light. (Using camera flash doesn't lead to good results....)
Additional, I have also a plan how a shooting could take place: In four phases:
- phase: First contact with the model: In this phase, I'd tell her what I want to do, what I estimate from her and simply check whether there is enough sympathy in both directions to do it. Additional, the girl can select a set from my sketchbooks. When everything is all right, the next phase could take place:
- phase: Test the models skills: I'd do a short test-shooting in order to see whether the model has the following qualities:
- Ability to pose,
- Ability to control facial expression. I can't stand the US-porno-like "fuck me" expression. I prefer the Galitsin-like "I'm so bored" or "I hope it's over soon" expression.
- The model shouldn't be too shy.
When everything still went all right: Next step:
- phase: Preparations for the actual shooting. That means basically get the right cloths/costume/shoes for the girl.
- phase: The actual shooting.
You see, I'm relatively clear of what I intend to do...
(*) About eLle eS as an ideal:
- I'm only talking about the legal non nude eLle eS pics like you find on some sites I accidental saw a few times. [in other words: I haven't done anything illlegal.]
- I don't mean the age of the models!!!! (Although AFAIK in germany everything > 14 is legal, but honestly I don't want to try....) [In other words: I don't plan to do anything illlegal.]
- I really just mean the style: I really like the way eLle eS used costumes and settings - so much fantasy, irony and eye for details!
If you don't know what I mean with "eLle eS": Just forget it, I won't answer. |
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| Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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respect second!!!
That i can take too, the plan from you... nice.
The thought of you (and me in some sentences) are together on this board!!!
I love it!!!
GREAT THANKS
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Yes, the plan is good But don't stick to slavish to it because reality bites A story board is indeed a great help for the model if she isn't too experienced - and even then.
You can also plan scenes and light with the free Poser program - I do it and it really helps IMHO. (Although working w/ a model is always a bit different from that)
Speaking of light: if you cant afford a studio flash with multi heads, get at least a system flash for your digi cam (SLR) which should be usable unattached (with a wire or wireless) and have a tripod mount (German: Stativanschluss), get a cheep small tripod for the flash, and a reflector disk with tripod and you are done for the most cases (cheep reflectors
are available from Foto-Walser:
http://foto-walser.biz/shop/default.aspx?TY=item&ST=3&CT=31
The easiest setup is to put the flash above and behind the model, a bit left or right to it and put the reflector on the opposite side (180°) this way the bright flashlight puts a nice glare around face and hair and the light which hits the face and models the body is soft.
I agree w/ the statement about eLIe eS if I interpret it correctly. If it means what I think then the costumes and background were really nice ideas. (But not many of their models, but you and me won't copy that) |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:43 am Post subject: |
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@Nfan:
Yes, seeing other guys having the same ideas and plans gives motivation an extra boost, so I'm also very happy to have the opportunity to speak about that here / have some thought exchange.
@Teufl:
Many thanks again for your practical tips, in particular regarding the light question I really was confused before, as I read a bit about that in some photo-maga_zines and there are so many different opportunities....
And of course as I don't know yet how deep I'll get into this, I don't want to pay for equipment I don't really need at first...
about the guides I found in emule:
Unfortunately not as interesting as I thought first, but still some interesting basic tips. (At least the nude pictures in the guide were totally boring, I don't plan to do such....) Maybe the guide proposed by andylo is really better....
And for the record here some examples of my personal momentary progress: Some of my pencil sketches.
One is a pose/clothing combination I copied from a Teensfun picture (maybe you recognize it...?) and the other one is freeform without template.
If you don't like them: Please don't comment, I'm not searching for discouragement here!
(remember: I just started...)
But constructive and other critic is welcome of course if you like.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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also it s interestening you can draw, beauty!
i dont can drawing! 
ahhh,
you inspired in this? And remember to this! and you cant forgot poses good!
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I dont want to pay so much for equipment too!!!
(alright you buy and buy and then when not good all for the ass!)
i have a Stativ and a powershot Digi Cam A540 for underway
(NOW all laughing...  but i start it...
i want to test it with my girlfriend
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I have a question:
SECOND what for an german forum for fotographers (and models) you have posted is your favorite??? (or better?) please your real opinion
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Nfan wrote: | ...
I dont want to pay so much for equipment too!!!
(alright you buy and buy and then when not good all for the ass!)
i have a Stativ and a powershot Digi Cam A540 for underway
(NOW all laughing... but i start it...
i want to test it with my girlfriend
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No, not laughing compact cameras work too - the only thing
you are somewhat limited with them is to control external
flashes (to a degree) and the aperture (the latter is important
to have defocused parts in the image, e.g. the background)
But if you work with static light (sun, lamp (Arbeitslampen mit
Stativ zu 500W gibts recht günstig - das Gitter muss weg, dann sind
die prima)) and one of those reflectors and you are done.
The 50cm reflector can also kept in hand (best if you have
an assistent with you)
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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thank you for the tips!!!
and you are right!! this site have cheap reflectors!!! i had a look and the same thing are very expensiv at other sites...
i think about to buy the reflector "50cm" or "100" for cheap price.
And can you tell me what about to know as i can only say in german (spiegelreflexkamera) can you pm me TEUFL? (in german)
many thanks
and here is my camera... and stativ (the cheapest 21,99 EUR) HAMA "STAR 75"
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| Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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Example for rendered pose:
(Someone talented should rebuild all models from tfuns and co - that would really be fun to play with ) |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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i dont understand, you mean we can poses collect with this programm from 3 d models???
that where good where i can get the programm
Did you post your cameras too??
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| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Nfan wrote: | i dont understand, you mean we can poses collect with this programm from 3 d models???
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There is a free program from daz3d and there is Poser if you
want to pay some bucks for it. Both programs share
model definition but not all scene data.
I think its really nice to test poses and light w/o bothering
a real model.
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Did you post your cameras too?? |
Not yet but I can |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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Yes and the reflector is coming to me! Its good for that price!!!!!
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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why no one can post a good pic from him as fotographer?
Come on post a good photo catch from you !!! 
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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did have some one tutorials for ADOBE photoshop???
thanks
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, I don't use photoshop but what do you want to know about it or general image processing? |
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