Forumophilia - 18 Years Online!
benetnash
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OMG that's some great info, thanks for sharing Mylene. 
djmax
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mylenefarmer
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@all: You're welcome and thanks for the kind words. I've visited this forum for a while now to keep track of new releases from L0R and what better place to find than the various warez forums.
@PWRNGR
Now I remember you! You are this guy:
http://imgur.com/OT0YSl0
I really like your setup.
@djmax
No problem. Please keep in mind that there are so many different options so my experiences won't be nothing more than just a personal experience, not a business-wide average.
In my case, I look for things like BDSM/fetish-styled shoots mostly. I ordered some videos from different studios/models before and obviously - the more special your request is - the more money you will have to pay for it.
I can't (and would never) reveal the model names whose shoots I purchased (one was a picture set because the model was not available for videos and on three other occasions it was video) and that's actually part of the contract you are signing (by accepting the legal mumbojumbo from the studios, just like all the long dialogue boxes when installing new software people never read anyway) and it's clear to see why. In one case I got a hardcore boy/girl video from a well-known model officially only doing softcore (not even hardcore solo work) and it would cause some shitstorm or similar if the info got out that she's doing hardcore as well. Some studios even personalize the video (digital watermarks and the like) so they could easily spot who put it online to sue the hell out of his ass. So in order not to put themselves in legal troubles, the customers should not share those infos or even the videos and pictures. It's just a business decision; you all know those stories about pornstars being escorts as well but denying it, etc.
I can give you not-so-rough-at-all-numbers because I was the one who actually paid for them.
Yes, some amateur with decent equipment could create some of those as well - but it's the model you are really paying the money for. Joe Schmoe from the street doesn't have access to those talents.
The picture set was a BDSM-style shooting including solo hardcore (Hitachi and fucking machine, you'll know those things from K1nk) with a model who was officially not doing such work at that time (now she's an already retired pornstarlet with less than 20 scenes/movies released according to iafd).
The production value was kinda low, no real BDSM studio, but more like a hotel room or similar living room in someones house, she was wearing random clothing (sexy lingerie though) but at least the pics were great. Good lighting and it featured everything I wanted to see.
Total price: 750 US-$
I have to say: it was worth the money at that point. Later she did regular hardcore boy/girl porn but who knew back then?
The most expensive video I've bought to this day was 3500 US-$ for around 30 minutes of video. High professional production value, a well-known model officially not doing such kind of videos and even some special requests by myself (clothes and action). Delivered in 1080p (which was relatively new at that time, 4k was not a thing back then), it blew my mind and keeps entertaining me to this day. Speaking like a true nerd: it's prrrreciousssssssss and I consider it the holy grail of my personal porn collection.
It may look expensive, but keep in mind you have to pay the studio, the model, the crew (makeup, etc.) and even get some personal requests done.
It's like you are the producer or director of your own porn scene. Get one of the high-profile pornstar escorts for some hours and you are in that money-territory already. But I can keep my video so it's not that expensive in comparison.
@PWRNGR
Now I remember you! You are this guy:
http://imgur.com/OT0YSl0
I really like your setup.
@djmax
No problem. Please keep in mind that there are so many different options so my experiences won't be nothing more than just a personal experience, not a business-wide average.
In my case, I look for things like BDSM/fetish-styled shoots mostly. I ordered some videos from different studios/models before and obviously - the more special your request is - the more money you will have to pay for it.
I can't (and would never) reveal the model names whose shoots I purchased (one was a picture set because the model was not available for videos and on three other occasions it was video) and that's actually part of the contract you are signing (by accepting the legal mumbojumbo from the studios, just like all the long dialogue boxes when installing new software people never read anyway) and it's clear to see why. In one case I got a hardcore boy/girl video from a well-known model officially only doing softcore (not even hardcore solo work) and it would cause some shitstorm or similar if the info got out that she's doing hardcore as well. Some studios even personalize the video (digital watermarks and the like) so they could easily spot who put it online to sue the hell out of his ass. So in order not to put themselves in legal troubles, the customers should not share those infos or even the videos and pictures. It's just a business decision; you all know those stories about pornstars being escorts as well but denying it, etc.
I can give you not-so-rough-at-all-numbers because I was the one who actually paid for them.
Yes, some amateur with decent equipment could create some of those as well - but it's the model you are really paying the money for. Joe Schmoe from the street doesn't have access to those talents.
The picture set was a BDSM-style shooting including solo hardcore (Hitachi and fucking machine, you'll know those things from K1nk) with a model who was officially not doing such work at that time (now she's an already retired pornstarlet with less than 20 scenes/movies released according to iafd).
The production value was kinda low, no real BDSM studio, but more like a hotel room or similar living room in someones house, she was wearing random clothing (sexy lingerie though) but at least the pics were great. Good lighting and it featured everything I wanted to see.
Total price: 750 US-$
I have to say: it was worth the money at that point. Later she did regular hardcore boy/girl porn but who knew back then?
The most expensive video I've bought to this day was 3500 US-$ for around 30 minutes of video. High professional production value, a well-known model officially not doing such kind of videos and even some special requests by myself (clothes and action). Delivered in 1080p (which was relatively new at that time, 4k was not a thing back then), it blew my mind and keeps entertaining me to this day. Speaking like a true nerd: it's prrrreciousssssssss and I consider it the holy grail of my personal porn collection.
It may look expensive, but keep in mind you have to pay the studio, the model, the crew (makeup, etc.) and even get some personal requests done.
It's like you are the producer or director of your own porn scene. Get one of the high-profile pornstar escorts for some hours and you are in that money-territory already. But I can keep my video so it's not that expensive in comparison.
PWRNGR
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I really like your setup.
Thanks! My mom thinks it's pretty cool too
And thank you for the insight on the world of custom videos, i was completely unaware on the whole subject. Let's hope you get what you're looking for and can add a custom lor video to your collection.
Also, i never thought of this thread as a "warez forum", even though the parent forum is of course exactly that. While sharing is appreciated mostly it's about collecting news and speculating on them. But you've read the thread, I don't need to tell you this. To be honest, I have, every now and then, actually paid for Lor related materials. I'm not proud of it, but there you go.
I really like your setup.
Thanks! My mom thinks it's pretty cool too
And thank you for the insight on the world of custom videos, i was completely unaware on the whole subject. Let's hope you get what you're looking for and can add a custom lor video to your collection.
Also, i never thought of this thread as a "warez forum", even though the parent forum is of course exactly that. While sharing is appreciated mostly it's about collecting news and speculating on them. But you've read the thread, I don't need to tell you this. To be honest, I have, every now and then, actually paid for Lor related materials. I'm not proud of it, but there you go.
mylenefarmer
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Don't worry, it was not meant to insult anyone here. I was just joking.
But those blogs and forums are a good source of new releases and the like, especially when someone is looking only for one or two companies or talents, like in those collection threads and so on. I don't want to browse all different official online shops just looking for videos of one specific model.
But those blogs and forums are a good source of new releases and the like, especially when someone is looking only for one or two companies or talents, like in those collection threads and so on. I don't want to browse all different official online shops just looking for videos of one specific model.
PWRNGR
djmax
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Left Foot
mylenefarmer
Good Poster
I never "attacked" others position so there is nothing to worry about or asking to respect. I would be more than happy to get a ton of memberships to various sites if she would going to be working for them in tons of b/g scenes - no doubt about that. I don't want any exclusive video, but if that's the only way to see her in action, no one could blame me for taking that chance. Of course it would be better for all if those videos would be available for everyone to purchase on the various sites. So we're all sitting on the same train.
I can't say about any prices for L0R's scenes, because we weren't that far in our negotiations. As I said, those were just personal experiences and the last purchase was made years ago already so those numbers are outdated for sure. But there lies the core of the problem: with the advancement in digital distribution, the higher numbers of talents selling their own stuff on the various camsites, m4nyv1ds, etc. it's getting more difficult each day for one of our favourite models to get that ball rolling.
I don't want to sound disrespectful, but let's face the truth: we are all not getting younger. She probably has some more years of modelling available, but if she wants to get the big offers for her early retirement or whatever future plans, she better get those fast. In times when 20-25 year olds are advertised as MILFs already (yes, they can have **** at that age, but that's not the point, you know what I mean) and the current average career spans not more than 2-3 years for most new talent her only advantage and big selling point would be her well known status as an exclusive non-hardcore-b/g-model up to this day.
Anyone remembers the L4ur3n Cl41r3 disaster? She wanted to go hardcore, even had the connections (her mother was in adult entertainment, she did shoots for Tw1stys and the like) and yet she still disappeared faster than you could get your little Willy out. L1ly L4ba3u taking a break? No problem: you now have lookalike 4r1a 4l3x4nd3r. R1l3y R31d problems? Ok, here's M3l1ss4 M00r3. And so on... that's why I don't like those anymore. Since the fame-stardom of the early 90s it was a selling point to have famous stars and new starlets careers. With the social media craze of the 00's until today fans could get in contact via facebook, twitter, instagram and the like, it really pushed the industry in a positive way.
The point is: if she only wants to do the stuff she did by now, that's totally fine by me and many of you as well, I'm sure about it. BUT - if she wants to go the hardcore route, it's almost too late already. People will lose interest. Ask those fans of S4ndy still waiting for a proper hardcore fucking scene (besides the ones with Pum4 Sw3d3 and in D0wnw4rd sp1r4l), they will never get one.
Some years ago, she could have made even more money from private videos. It's a business decision as well. Prices will drop as well as the demand, that's the harsh truth. Nobody is going to pay her big numbers when you can have alternatives at every single damn corner of the internet. She's not even talking to her fans. Not that's she's obligated to do so, but if I'm the one trying to sell a product, I'd better roll the red carpet out to potential customers. Just my 2 cents.
I can't say about any prices for L0R's scenes, because we weren't that far in our negotiations. As I said, those were just personal experiences and the last purchase was made years ago already so those numbers are outdated for sure. But there lies the core of the problem: with the advancement in digital distribution, the higher numbers of talents selling their own stuff on the various camsites, m4nyv1ds, etc. it's getting more difficult each day for one of our favourite models to get that ball rolling.
I don't want to sound disrespectful, but let's face the truth: we are all not getting younger. She probably has some more years of modelling available, but if she wants to get the big offers for her early retirement or whatever future plans, she better get those fast. In times when 20-25 year olds are advertised as MILFs already (yes, they can have **** at that age, but that's not the point, you know what I mean) and the current average career spans not more than 2-3 years for most new talent her only advantage and big selling point would be her well known status as an exclusive non-hardcore-b/g-model up to this day.
Anyone remembers the L4ur3n Cl41r3 disaster? She wanted to go hardcore, even had the connections (her mother was in adult entertainment, she did shoots for Tw1stys and the like) and yet she still disappeared faster than you could get your little Willy out. L1ly L4ba3u taking a break? No problem: you now have lookalike 4r1a 4l3x4nd3r. R1l3y R31d problems? Ok, here's M3l1ss4 M00r3. And so on... that's why I don't like those anymore. Since the fame-stardom of the early 90s it was a selling point to have famous stars and new starlets careers. With the social media craze of the 00's until today fans could get in contact via facebook, twitter, instagram and the like, it really pushed the industry in a positive way.
The point is: if she only wants to do the stuff she did by now, that's totally fine by me and many of you as well, I'm sure about it. BUT - if she wants to go the hardcore route, it's almost too late already. People will lose interest. Ask those fans of S4ndy still waiting for a proper hardcore fucking scene (besides the ones with Pum4 Sw3d3 and in D0wnw4rd sp1r4l), they will never get one.
Some years ago, she could have made even more money from private videos. It's a business decision as well. Prices will drop as well as the demand, that's the harsh truth. Nobody is going to pay her big numbers when you can have alternatives at every single damn corner of the internet. She's not even talking to her fans. Not that's she's obligated to do so, but if I'm the one trying to sell a product, I'd better roll the red carpet out to potential customers. Just my 2 cents.
PWRNGR
Left Foot
PWRNGR
mylenefarmer
Good Poster
@Left Foot
You are one being touchy here (right from the start), not to mention playing the wanna-be-thread police (no, you are not a mod here) telling people what this thread is about. That's why I put "attacked" in that "" way... so don't play the fineprint card. Same with the FB thing, btw I knew that about already. And even if you don't think so: I am calling myself a real fan of hers as well for many many years, but I know some people want to be uber-elite type of fans and would never accept any other folks to even like her. It's your prrrecioussss, we get it. Yes, this thread is still about L0R, that's the whole deal. Please leave it that way. I don't have any problem with you, so please let us rejoice in favor of this thread. No more response on this matter required, I consider this matter a case closed now. Thank you in advance.
@rest
From my negotiations with JB it was obvious, there won't be any hardcore work on the regular channels anytime soon. Maybe she's somehow engaged/business-related to that guy, who knows. For all of us I truly hope she will change her mind!
Regarding those of us dreaming about getting directly to her instead of just videos: dream on. Deal with it, you will never get to put your wiener into her. The truth hurts.
You are one being touchy here (right from the start), not to mention playing the wanna-be-thread police (no, you are not a mod here) telling people what this thread is about. That's why I put "attacked" in that "" way... so don't play the fineprint card. Same with the FB thing, btw I knew that about already. And even if you don't think so: I am calling myself a real fan of hers as well for many many years, but I know some people want to be uber-elite type of fans and would never accept any other folks to even like her. It's your prrrecioussss, we get it. Yes, this thread is still about L0R, that's the whole deal. Please leave it that way. I don't have any problem with you, so please let us rejoice in favor of this thread. No more response on this matter required, I consider this matter a case closed now. Thank you in advance.
@rest
From my negotiations with JB it was obvious, there won't be any hardcore work on the regular channels anytime soon. Maybe she's somehow engaged/business-related to that guy, who knows. For all of us I truly hope she will change her mind!
Regarding those of us dreaming about getting directly to her instead of just videos: dream on. Deal with it, you will never get to put your wiener into her. The truth hurts.
Left Foot
PWRNGR
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Too bad. But as you mentioned in a previous post, J.B has a motive to misrepresent the situation. Then again, I take it you've done more of these negotiations than J.B. and can probably read into the situation rather well...
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Speak for yourself. Once I lose enough weight to climb the stairs out of my basement, i'll have my mom drive me directly to Spain, where she'll fall for my charms, I'm sure of it. But don't worry, in time I will send you guys some custom videos, free of charge.
From my negotiations with JB it was obvious, there won't be any hardcore work on the regular channels anytime soon. Maybe she's somehow engaged/business-related to that guy, who knows. For all of us I truly hope she will change her mind!
Too bad. But as you mentioned in a previous post, J.B has a motive to misrepresent the situation. Then again, I take it you've done more of these negotiations than J.B. and can probably read into the situation rather well...
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Regarding those of us dreaming about getting directly to her instead of just videos: dream on. Deal with it, you will never get to put your wiener into her. The truth hurts. Razz
Speak for yourself. Once I lose enough weight to climb the stairs out of my basement, i'll have my mom drive me directly to Spain, where she'll fall for my charms, I'm sure of it. But don't worry, in time I will send you guys some custom videos, free of charge.